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1 minute ago, Bojangle said:

I still stand by that Demon’s Souls will be on PC by the end of 2022. :blah:

You might be right about that. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Bojangle said:

I still stand by that Demon’s Souls will be on PC by the end of 2022. :blah:

It's not a completely out there statement given Sony seem to be warming up to PC ports. Certainly more likely than GT7 appearing in 2021 ever was. :lol: 

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3 hours ago, MW_Jimmy said:

Just peering in, but as someone who is not planning to move away from PS4 for some time (who wants that console in their living space, really?) this is great news.

 

For those that are seriously (not jokingly) annoyed by this, I have to ask, in what distinct way do you honestly feel these titles will be held back by this approach?

Well I'm not sure exactly as to the answer, but it sure was a big stick to beat MS with at launch.

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I can't say I'm that concerned about cross-gen “compromising” the new GoW. I mean, did you see that Horizon footage the other day? Ultimately both games were in development for years when the PS5 only existed on paper, so I doubt either would be making particularly novel use of the new hardware to begin with. If anything it's surprising that we're seeing a game like Ratchet so early in the generation.

 

That isn't to say they won't make meaningful use of the new hardware, of course; maybe we'll see some use of ray-tracing, 60fps modes, good DualSense implementation, etc. There's a lot of scope for experiential differences between playing on PS4 and PS5, but at the moment we're just seeing 'quick wins' – such as significantly better fidelity or dramatically reduced loading – and it'll take a bit of time for developers to figure how game design can look different given the new baseline.

 

If we hadn't been hit with a pandemic I imagine Forbidden West would be out and GoW may indeed have made this year. They're early PS5 titles, all things considered.

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17 minutes ago, Gorf King said:

 

I don't even know why you're bothering to post considered opinion in here, since your rebuttals are essentially to meme posters and a guy who buys multiple PS5s only to complain that there's nothing to play on them apart from things that cost too much money unlike the cost of the console he bought twice which he hates twice and actually has new games but they're not on game pass why did I buy this several times again.

 

I mean, lol every other forum, they really are full of fanboys ain't they? Yet the credibility of critical opinion on this forum = 0. It seems that however much the unconvincingly polite tendentious fanboyism increases, poor disguise aside it somehow becomes even less convincingly based on fact or even genuine belief.

 

Seriously guys, just give it up. Forum's done. Go and watch some shit on Netlfix, it'll fill the same empty void.

 

PS Destiny's getting crossplay soon, so since that's the best videogame ever and yes I'll provide objective proof  I guess we'll see how that pans out in terms of true mettle of these milquetoasts. I for one will be welcoming newcomers to Atheon and not having to explain how the game being available on both gens or the choice between PS5 and X-Series doesn't really affect their ability to SPOT WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE DETAINED, THE CUNTS!

 

Sorry about that. Just a bit of PTSD creeping in. But yeah, do yourself a favour and stop posting shit please. You all know who you are. Thanks.

 

I'd suggest giving Returnal another go, if that doesn't work out, give it another go, and so on. Never give up. It is the best game.

 

Spoiler

You can cancel detainment in VoG, btw

 

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Used the disk drive for the first time yesterday. So noisy, was quite a shocker.

Still worth it though as I was installing LOU pt2 which I'd bought for £10. Never had a PS4 so figured there was a whole treasure trove of goodies to be had for a bargain.

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You want a shocker stick a UHD disc in the Series X. It's loud. 

 

Whose the fanboy now hmm. 

 

Not a fanboy love games, always loved games irrespective of the machine that plays them. Except the C64 cos I'm Speccy till I die 😉

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26 minutes ago, Totoro said:

Used the disk drive for the first time yesterday. So noisy, was quite a shocker.

Still worth it though as I was installing LOU pt2 which I'd bought for £10. Never had a PS4 so figured there was a whole treasure trove of goodies to be had for a bargain.


Should be fine once it’s done installing. It IS loud when it’s actively spinning the disc though. Thankfully they improved the disc check with the last OS update.

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5 hours ago, Bojangle said:


Should be fine once it’s done installing. It IS loud when it’s actively spinning the disc though. Thankfully they improved the disc check with the last OS update.

 

Phew, you are correct! Quiet as a mouse again.

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GT7 becoming, or being confirmed as, a cross generation game is a bit of a surprise to me. A simulation seems the sort of game that would benefit from the massively better CPUs in these consoles so it being PS5 exclusive seemed entirely sensible to me. 

 

It and God of War being available on PS4 as well isn't making me regret spending money on a PS5 that is sitting at home waiting for me right now if this tracking number is to be believed. 

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I'm not sure I interpret his words as confirming it.

 

But it's a mistake unless they're entirely separate versions and PS4 GT7 is basically just a glorified GOTY for GT Sport.

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If the GT7 decision is a u-turn, and not something that was planned all along but they just kept quiet on, I'd take even that 2022 date with a huge handful of salt. At the pace they develop those titles, having to suddenly add PS4 to the development pipeline will not be a 6-12 month task.

 

If either GoW or GT7 hit both PS4 and PS5 in 2022, it was a decision made a long time ago - it's not something you change and then spit out in 12 months (especially if you need those new versions to be up to snuff because you are producing them to address the biggest market).

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On 02/06/2021 at 15:54, Alex W. said:

Actually, lingering on that last added parenthetical, it may well be that getting your TV to do it will be better than many developers’ implementations of tone mapping…

 

Edit - Also sorry if that was explaining something you already know, I tend to go back to first principles when something’s this complicated to make sure I’m making sense, and hopefully it makes it more obvious if I’ve missed something obvious. (Not just to you but to anyone else in this thread.) I guess the short answer is “yes, but the game should be doing that”.

 

I basically didn't know anything about how HDR was implemented in TVs Vs games machines, so your explanation was very handy and easy to understand - thank you.

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33 minutes ago, rgraves said:

If the GT7 decision is a u-turn, and not something that was planned all along but they just kept quiet on, I'd take even that 2022 date with a huge handful of salt. At the pace they develop those titles, having to suddenly add PS4 to the development pipeline will not be a 6-12 month task.

 

If either GoW or GT7 hit both PS4 and PS5 in 2022, it was a decision made a long time ago - it's not something you change and then spit out in 12 months (especially if you need those new versions to be up to snuff because you are producing them to address the biggest market).


I don’t really see the point of delaying those games to do a PS4 port, why wouldn’t they proceed with the PS5 release and port to PS4 later? I expect GT7 is built off the back of the GT Sport engine in some manner which should help you’d think.

 

I know less than nothing about game development but wouldn’t a lot of the work be handled by libraries or at least not be as much of a headache as porting a PS4 game back to PS3. I assume they’ve done something similar with Miles, Sackboy, HZD2 etc. and therefore have some tools but perhaps that is going PS4 to PS5 rather than the other way.

 

 

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I feel like this discussion has been done a million times, especially back when the Series S and X was revealed. Devs have been building for multiple specs on PC for years now, it’s nothing new. In general if they’re building for PS5/Series X then it’s “just” a case of scaling down to hit that performance target on the lower spec machines. Obviously if a game is designed using something that doesn’t exist on PS4 (the SSD) then it’s a more involved step to take with numerous design as well as technical choices to make. I imagine the reason something like Ratchet is a proper exclusive is because without the SSD the portals just aren’t the same.

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I mean you just have to look at Cyberpunk for an example of how downscaling your original intended version for lower spec machines can be a nightmare if its not properly planned for from the start. If some in-house devs are just getting news now that they need to create a PS4 version of their game they're going to be royally pissed, and we can expect more meaty delays from games which were previously going to be PS5 exclusives. Of course all of this is speculation, it could be they planned dev of most PS5 titles with PS4/PC compatability in mind.

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3 minutes ago, Alan Stock said:

I mean you just have to look at Cyberpunk for an example of how downscaling your original intended version for lower spec machines can be a nightmare if its not properly planned for from the start. 


I get your point but this example really doesn’t work given Cyberpunk was announced years in advance and they knew full well that they were targeting those machines 😛

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That is completely true, I suppose one good thing is that these console devs should know what they're doing, they'll all have plenty of PS4 experience and will plan accordingly. Cyberpunks just a good example of if you are way too complacent/unprepared for the task.

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I imagine Sony will be throwing XDEV and ICE resources at any teams doing cross gen releases to ensure both versions are great. I guess Horizon will be the first “real” example of seeing how it pans out! Digital Foundry will have content for days 😛

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11 minutes ago, Alan Stock said:

 If some in-house devs are just getting news now that they need to create a PS4 version of their game they're going to be royally pissed

 

Does anyone really believe that's likely to be the case?

"Help everything is slipping due to COVID, let's add more work".

Far more likely that a marketing man thought he could get a cheap shot.

 

On the positive side, it's also far more likely that the next couple of years will continue to have 60fps modes, and that after that perhaps they won't disappear so easily?

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45 minutes ago, Bojangle said:

I feel like this discussion has been done a million times, especially back when the Series S and X was revealed. Devs have been building for multiple specs on PC for years now, it’s nothing new. In general if they’re building for PS5/Series X then it’s “just” a case of scaling down to hit that performance target on the lower spec machines. Obviously if a game is designed using something that doesn’t exist on PS4 (the SSD) then it’s a more involved step to take with numerous design as well as technical choices to make. I imagine the reason something like Ratchet is a proper exclusive is because without the SSD the portals just aren’t the same.

 

They don't build for specs that different.  The processor in the PS4 is an utter disaster and was in 2013, it's slower than AMD's own 2008 PC chips in many ways.  The PS5 one is actually pretty good.

 

It technically meets the minimum requirements for the PC version of Asetto Corsa Competitizone but not in any way that would give acceptable performance for a first party Sony console title.

 

Driving simulations are a fairly specialised thing and demand CPU power.  The console versions of ACC are cut down and still a tyre fire on a PS4 non-pro.

 

I'm not that worried about God of War, or even Horizon (despite some galaxy brains here swallowing their initial "It'd be impossible on PS4" line) but GT7 could be seriously compromised if the versions are not as distinct as the two versions of Forza Horizon 2 were a generation ago.

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2 minutes ago, MattyP said:

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/\ My new toy in situ... Shouts to @Lorfarius and @Down by Law for the assist with this! :D

 

Kind of matches my unit and ancient Anglepoise lamp. Next Dualsense will be black though. Needs to look more like Darth Vader than the current Stormtrooper look! :D 

 

 

 

Oh wow.. I should have part traded for that DK Game & Watch!

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3 hours ago, bear said:

GT7 becoming, or being confirmed as, a cross generation game is a bit of a surprise to me. A simulation seems the sort of game that would benefit from the massively better CPUs in these consoles so it being PS5 exclusive seemed entirely sensible to me. 

Well essentially it'll scale really well? Just like PC? I'm not overly concerned TBH. Also it'll get pushed back I expect due to PSVR2 which might be heading out next year. The combo of these two should be something special. I'll be on that pre-order list for PSVR2 for sure - I was so impressed what Sony achieved with the first version. Imagine what the next iteration will be like. :)

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3 minutes ago, Lorfarius said:

 

Oh wow.. I should have part traded for that DK Game & Watch!

 

:D It would never be for trade. Have a box for it too! :)

 

I actually picked that up back around 1999 from a charity shop for under a fiver!!!! (think it was actually £3 to be precise). ABSOLUTE BARGAIN! :)

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Just now, MattyP said:

 

:D It would never be for trade. Have a box for it too! :)

 

I actually picked that up back around 1999 from a charity shop for under a fiver!!!! (think it was actually £3 to be precise). ABSOLUTE BARGAIN! :)

 

Always wanted it as a kid but could never afford one, now they are shooting up to crazy prices.

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4 minutes ago, Lorfarius said:

 

Always wanted it as a kid but could never afford one, now they are shooting up to crazy prices.

Just looked at the prices on a random eBay search... 😮 Didn't realise they had increased so much in value. Shocking. They aren't even that great... wonder what the fuss is about?... Like mine because its just a thing I pick up and play with now and again.

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