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1 hour ago, Creamstick said:

The mere fact you call making love "naughty" tells me that you're not ready.

 

I thought exactly the same - you can always tell a Milford man.

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Enjoying the build up of empowerment amongst the female characters this season (the intro this week was ace) - but can’t help but feel there is some serious conflict approaching too.  

 

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Loved the pimp wanting to get into the porn business and the female director saying whores make bad porn actresses because they look dead around the eyes - oof!

 

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Yeah I'm not sure things are going to turn out too well for Lori, CC has already been shown to be a very nasty character when he feels his property is under threat from leaving him.

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Just watched ep 4 last night on Now TV. Echoing what Minion said above, I cannot see this ending well for Lori. Prediction: CC's going to kill her.

 

Secondary unrelated prediction: it'll turn out the fire in the parlour that killed the girl was in fact not started by the rival mob, making Tommy's reprisal a terrible mistake.

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11 minutes ago, Minion said:

But was Larry's cock real is the question on everyones lips surely!

 

I'd like to have seen the look on the face of the Digital FX artist given the 'enhancement' job.:D

 

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19 hours ago, Minion said:

But was Larry's cock real is the question on everyones lips surely!

 

Gbenga's gbanga, am I right?

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Just watched the latest episode. It says something for it that I got this far but I'm not sure it's really any good. What or who am I meant to give a shit about? What is happening exactly that I'm supposed to want to find out more about?

 

There's clearly someone at HBO who's as into the late 70's era of NYC as much as I am but unfortunately it seems their writers always end up about as good at doing it as I would be.

 

I think the problem is a lack of humour. If you're going to do dark and dramatic you need to make it really gripping like the Wire. If you want to do more of a slow burn time and place thing you need better characters and some entertainment like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul does. This has neither the drama, nor the characters and I think I might be done with it. The final nail, for me, is the very slight irritation of Maggie Gyllenhaal's accent in this. If it's her real voice I haven't noticed it before. It sounds like she's trying to do a NJ or Boston thing and it's quite grating.

 

Overall, they've somehow made '70s NY and sex boring.

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Is sex kind of supposed to be boring in it though? It's a job.

 

Yeah, I thought that and maybe that is the point. If so, they’ve done a good job. The ‘sex’ is boring as fuck. The problem is, there’s not much else to it is there? One lot are making films and the others are running parlours and there’s the side story of NY’s one good cop. There’s just not enough there to really motivate me to watch. The setting got me this far, I’m not sure they really know where they’re going though. The problem is partly the historical context. You know that one good cop won’t get any luck until the late ‘90s at least. 

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25 minutes ago, ZOK said:

Loving this show! How do I find out when episode 5 is coming to NowTV though?

It’s on Sky Atlantic tomorrow at 10. I’m assuming that’s part of NowTV?

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I think I'm fairly conflicted here. I think it's very well made, but I'm not sure how much I'd say I'm enjoying it. I like some of the characters being on screen, but I'm not especially invested in any of them - and most of them leave me remembering that all things considered I preferred their character in the Wire.

 

Also, it feels off that

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Abby hasn't realised Vince is involved with the parlours after five years. When they came back for season 2 I assumed she must have somehow accepted it (seemed unlikely for her character) - but then four episodes in it's bubbling up as a major conflict in the series.

 

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1 minute ago, Miner Willy said:

I think I'm fairly conflicted here. I think it's very well made, but I'm not sure how much I'd say I'm enjoying it. I like some of the characters being on screen, but I'm not especially invested in any of them - and most of them leave me remembering that all things considered I preferred their character in the Wire.

 

Also, it feels off that

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Abby hasn't realised Vince is involved with the parlours after five years. When they came back for season 2 I assumed she must have somehow accepted it (seemed unlikely for her character) - but then four episodes in it's bubbling up as a major conflict in the series.

 

 

Yeah, those are kind of my feelings. It feels a little harsh to say it's style over substance but that is kind of what I'm getting at. I've sort of enjoyed it up to this point but I need more now and I'm not getting it.

 

Without wanting to sound like too much of a prick, it could be partly due to the fact that I know so much about that time and place. Loads of my favourite bands came out of the '70s NY scene and I've read so many books and watched so many documentaries about not just the bands, but the city too. I don't think I'm burnt out by it as it still interests me but a lot of what might be grabbing other people is just 'yeah I know' to me.

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Well I'm loving it, I think it's well written, extremely well acted and such a great expansive cast. How many writers/producers/directors can pull off such quality with such a big cast, and on TV too. It's a brilliant representation of a time and place and all the diverse characters who inhabited that world. I can't think of many other programs that have such quality. The Abby thing mentioned above I'm in agreement with, it does seem a bit silly but everything else is pretty fantastic to me. Thank fuck for David Simon. 

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I think I agree with all/most of that, but I'm just not enjoying it as much as it feels like I should.

 

I've loved everything else I've seen and read by David Simon - I think he's amazing. 

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I’m enjoying this season so far, I like the reframing of the first season to be more in keeping with the zeitgeist if that makes sense (my first time using ‘zeitgeist’ so probably got it wrong, yes I do feel a bit of a twat using it). Maybe more in keeping with the current conversation than trying to show an historically accurate depiction of NYC at that time says it better? Which for all the shows worthy grandstanding feels ultimately undermined by the casting of James Franco. Maybe Abby’s sudden jarring realisation of what his character has been involved in is a forced attempt to address this? Be interesting to see if Franco gets punished through his character this season. 

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Ironically, given my posts yesterday, I actually really enjoyed this week's episode. Lots of good scenes and developments.

 

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And the Abby/Vince thing was at least addressed in a pretty believable way too.

 

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