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The problem is there's basically nothing left for him to crush with this fleet. The rebellion consists of half a dozen people and one ship, as the movie ended.

 

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There was this whole point about the rebellion rising again as the people throughout the galaxy.

 

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hmm

 

Also where were the knights of ren? I was looking forward to seeing them in a flashback strutting around Luke's training temple up to no good like the Tunnel Snakes from fallout 3 with Snoke as the evil PE teacher or something since he's already got a tracksuit.

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1 minute ago, JohnC said:
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There was this whole point about the rebellion rising again as the people throughout the galaxy.

 

 

Yeah, a few inspired kids, but nothing he can blow up with a fleet of Star Destroyers! Well, he could I guess...

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42 minutes ago, Naieve said:

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Leia being able to suvive in the vacuum of space work then? I had hilariously been spoiled on that scene on 4chan (it was put to Superman music) but I had assumed that was her death and it was played backwards. What the various fucks?

 

 

 

 

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Despite what most sci fi flicks tell you, the vacuum of space won’t kill you instantly. You might survive for a minute or so, maybe pass out in 15 seconds, but you’ll likely piss yourself, shit everywhere, vomit, parts of you will swell up and so on. So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that she would have survived. 

 

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IX

 

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They'll have to time jump at least a year or two. A bit like, random example here, ROTJ. That will put us into a more OT like status quo.

 

But what have I to care about?

 

Rey can already do anything she wants.

Rose is a character I care much less than Finn, who was he invalid last time. 

Finn has learned it's wrong to sacrifice yourself for the greater good and has no real mystery.

Luke is dead. He'll probably be a force ghost, but that's a cameo with no real interest.

Snoke is dead. He's unimportant.

Leia won't be back except in the briefest of flashes.

Poe will probably be General Poe, having learned to shut up and follow orders. There's no great hook that resolved here.

 

Kylo as top dog is interesting, but they showed him as ineffectual in the last act, rather than ascending as a competent dude. That's less interesting, I think.

Chewie and R2D2 don't actually do anything

 

The message of this film is nothing matters and you are stupid for caring.

 

Compare Empire.

 

What happens to Han!?

What happens with Luke?

OMG we saw the Emperor is he in he next one?

 

Where's the hook for IX?

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Simply put, there isn't one. They haven't started with a plan and it's painfully obvious. May as well start the next trilogy now as this one hasn't answered or set up anything worth finding out.

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3 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

I think I agree that the terrible version of episode 9 you’ve come up with is bad and unimaginative. 

 

I didn't really come up with anything..? I only made one real speculation and

 

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If you can tell me how you get a functioning end to the trilogy  without a timeskip, I'm interested.

 

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Just do the battle for Kylo Ren’s soul and have Rey fight for her surrogate family. That’s what this trilogy is about. They’re probably not going to settle the entire restructuring of galactic civilisation in one movie and there wouldn’t be any point in it.

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27 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

 

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Despite what most sci fi flicks tell you, the vacuum of space won’t kill you instantly. You might survive for a minute or so, maybe pass out in 15 seconds, but you’ll likely piss yourself, shit everywhere, vomit, parts of you will swell up and so on. So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that she would have survived. 

 

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Also the literal magic she used might have something to do with it. 

 

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1 minute ago, Alex W. said:

Just do the battle for Kylo Ren’s soul and have Rey fight for her surrogate family. That’s what this trilogy is about. They’re probably not going to settle the entire restructuring of galactic civilisation in one movie and there wouldn’t be any point in it.

 

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Kylo Ren's soul was answered in this movie. He had a choice with Rey and made it. He killed Han fucking Solo. Even the Darth Vader option is a cop out.

 

6 minutes ago, Boothjan said:

The hook for IX is that its going to go in a COMPLETELY different direction to what I expected before 8pm last Thursday.

 

Now as I'm speaking as someone who enjoyed the storyline of VIII, this is no bad thing. On the contrary, it's ace.

 

It seems like plenty of people disagree with me and that's fine, but I like where its going and I'm looking forward to the journey that Abrams and co are about to take me on. Because its not where I expected.

 

You don't think the third part of a trilogy should, you know, have you excited for concluding stuff hat happened in the other parts of said trilogy?

 

I am ironically more interested in Rian Johnson's trilogy than IX. I think he could potentially do something great and something coherent with complete control from start to finish rather than having to run with ideas he obviously finds uninteresting.

 

I look forward to Kathleen Kennedy firing him halfway through part two. 

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Rian Johnson threw out the outline he was given and came up with this film as his own idea for how to follow TFA, so...

 

I get that there aren’t big plot things to follow up on but there’s so much good character stuff they can do from here. 

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They'd never do this, but they could

 

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skip forward twenty or thirty years and cast older actors as Rey, Ren, Finn etc. In that time The New Order could have dominated the galaxy and Kylo Ren could have become all powerful and fully corrupted by the dark side (his face could be all fucked up like Snoke's as a result), and the heroes could be utterly exhausted and demoralised by the fight (the passage of time would also explain Leia's absence).

 

God knows where you'd go from there, but it would be an interesting and very dark place to start from.

 

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Was thinking about 

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when Luke meets up with Leia and gives her Han's fluffy dice that he took off the rear view mirror of the Falcon. It was a touching scene seeing them together one last time, so touching that how rubbish a gesture that was didn't click nor did I ask myself why did the dice dissolve. I think by that point I'd stop questioning things and was like sure whatever. These fluffy dice weren't in the OT were they? I bet they show up in Solo...Fluffy dice ffs!

 

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7 minutes ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

 

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Well duh. Other than his appearance that should have been the first clue. In retrospect it was a nice way of tipping of Leia I guess...still, furry fucking dice.

 

 

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Ah, sorry, I wasn't trying to be patronising. I didn't realise Luke was a ghost until about the same time Kylo did. Even then I was laughing to myself about how Luke showed up and didn't tell them about the secret exit until about half-way home, when I realised that he probably had no clue what their tactical situation was because he was a ghost and he didn't use the secret exit.

 

Yeah, it's kind of a weird memento. They probably agonised over what the hell kind of object could represent Han without really thinking maybe they could've just skipped it.

 

BTW, Luke's two deaths (first fake and then for reals) felt really clunky to me. Have him not-fight Kylo in a symbolic demonstration of the power of self-mastery over uncontrolled emotions and raw strength, or have him actually fight Kylo and die in the process, but don't do both. That's just weird.

 

Actually with that stuff and Leia's "FUCK SPACE I'M GOING BACK TO THE SHIP" thing it's kind of a weird movie all round.

 

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1 hour ago, kensei said:

 

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Kylo Ren's soul was answered in this movie. He had a choice with Rey and made it. He killed Han fucking Solo. Even the Darth Vader option is a cop out.

 

 

You don't think the third part of a trilogy should, you know, have you excited for concluding stuff hat happened in the other parts of said trilogy?

 

I am ironically more interested in Rian Johnson's trilogy than IX. I think he could potentially do something great and something coherent with complete control from start to finish rather than having to run with ideas he obviously finds uninteresting.

 

I look forward to Kathleen Kennedy firing him halfway through part two. 

 

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Of course I'm excited! I want to know what happens to Ren and Rey. Will Poe assume leadership of the resistance? How will the First Order cope with an unstable leader? Will we see a slave uprising?

 

Still loads that could happen and I like the fact that it's not blindingly obvious where it's all headed to.

 

I really am very surprised at the volume of criticism this film has received. Though it makes for interesting reading.

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3 hours ago, JoeK said:

 

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So what are the odds we get ghost Luke showing up in the third film

 

 

 

Surely it wouldn't be a 'proper' end to the skywalker story without it?

 

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I’d say it’s likely Luke will show up as a ghost. But Ben is part of the Skywalker bloodline, don’t let his surname fool you ^_^

 

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I saw this again tonight and I feel a lot more positive about it this time around. I almost fell asleep during the casino planet and still absolutely hate the resistance stuff going on but the jedi/force stuff is great. Especially Kylo Ren, Rey less so because of her prodigial nature but their pairing works really well. 

 

With all these talks of fan edits, I'll take one with just the force users (minus Leia) please! 

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WTF did I just watch? Terrible forced jokes, let's drive slowly to escape a star destroyer, awful prequel quality casino planet, Leia flies in space etc. 

 

It's at least half an hour too long. I did like the ending though, looking forward to seeing how they build a rebellion up from that bunch. 

 

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3 hours ago, Ale Crow said:

 

Probably fell asleep. But yeah, I specified 'before he turns into Darth Vader', should've been more exact and said, 'before he turns evil'.

 

It's so boring. And the action that follows is just too much. Swinging and floating over lava with lightsabers, jesus.

With you on that one. Don’t agree it’s the worst of the prequels, but then again being ‘better than Attack Of The Clones’ is not exactly a badge of honour. Plinkett hit on it quite nicely when he showed the lack or urgency in any of the Coruscant scenes, even when they’re ‘hurrying’ to stop Palpatine - they can’t run anywhere because they’re working in a 30-foot long room covered in green backdrop and cgi’d to look like 300-foot long corridors/hangers etc. If they actually rushed anywhere they’d run out of set in about 5 seconds, so they amble about with their hands tucked in their sleeves.

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Just went to see this tonight. A few thoughts: 

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A bit of a mess of a film for me. Far too long with not a lot of interest going on. Kylo Ren was great again and the throne room fight was the highlight but too much dull rebel stuff overall. Really didn't like the Rose character either and as a lot have said the casino section was ill judged and amateurish. In fact the whole thing felt quite fan fiction like, much like Rogue One. 

 

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7 hours ago, cubik said:
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WTF did I just watch? Terrible forced jokes, let's drive slowly to escape a star destroyer, awful prequel quality casino planet, Leia flies in space etc. 

 

It's at least half an hour too long. I did like the ending though, looking forward to seeing how they build a rebellion up from that bunch. 

 

Sadly I feel much the same. 

Good I places, but a bit rubbish in others and certainly too long  I was rather bored at times(I hate writing that, but it’s true).  Overall I far preferred TFA. 

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