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Sub Rosa, in which Dr Crusher finds out her recently deceased nan was a kinky lass who was banging a ghost, and then ol' Bev goes in for some ectoplasmic seconds. 

 

I'd seen this episode before but for some reason my mind had thought it was so terrible it must have been in season 1. Surely?

 

Nope. Last season. This is one of the episodes they chose to ride out on.

 

Fucking christ.

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I saw Sub Rosa for the first time last year, and it is terrible, but it's also amazing. It's accidentally the funniest episode of the show, and it's genuinely great fun for all the wrong reasons.

 

I LOVE YOU BEVERLY! :D

 

It also gets bonus points for the borderline offensive comedy space Scotsman.

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If you could show a total Trek virgin just one episode across any of the series,  in order to explain why it is worth their time becoming a Trekkie which would it be?

 

I have just enjoyed my annual rewatch of ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ and I think I would have to go with that, although the DS9 episode ‘Necessary Evil’ is right up there for me too.
 

 

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8 hours ago, Waggo said:

If you could show a total Trek virgin just one episode across any of the series,  in order to explain why it is worth their time becoming a Trekkie which would it be?

 

I have just enjoyed my annual rewatch of ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ and I think I would have to go with that, although the DS9 episode ‘Necessary Evil’ is right up there for me too.
 

 

 

It' so hard to pick as there's so much stuff that relies on knowledge of past shows but the one that really stands out would DS9's Series 4 The Visitor. Mainly because it tells a story with a lot of emotion between a father and son.

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8 hours ago, Waggo said:

If you could show a total Trek virgin just one episode across any of the series,  in order to explain why it is worth their time becoming a Trekkie which would it be?

 

I have just enjoyed my annual rewatch of ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ and I think I would have to go with that, although the DS9 episode ‘Necessary Evil’ is right up there for me too.
 

 

Problem with showing a newbie yesterday’s enterprise is they wouldn’t know the context.  Bunch of people they don’t know suddenly acting differently etc. 

 

I would go with any season 3 onward Q episode or Best of Both Worlds part 1. 

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It's a common answer but The Inner Light is what I'd pick if I could introduce someone to Trek with only a single episode. It's a classic "weird anomaly" episode; doesn't rely on you knowing a great deal about the characters; and with a simple premise it tells the kind of thoughtful, bittersweet story that only really good sci fi can.

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I think someone here tried to introduce a newcomer using The Inner Light, only for it to fall flat. I'm not sure it works all that well as an intro, and would maybe be better saved as a follow up to something more representative of the show in general. 

 

I'd maybe go with the start of Season 4 of Deep Space Nine. The Way of the Warrior is a brilliant and exciting introduction to both the show and the season, and is followed immediately with The Visitor which is an equally brilliant example to show the range of the show. I think a similar double bill would work for The Inner Light.

 

Yesterday's Enterprise is fantastic though. I think I'd lead with that over The Inner Light for a TNG choice, as I think it still stands alone despite familiarity elevating it further. It's certainly up there with the best of the series for me.

 

My favourite TNG episode is still Darmok though. I'd be tempted to go with that as my TNG pick actually.

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Tried showing my girlfriend Darmok, The Inner Light and Yesterday’s Enterprise to show her what TNG was like. Darmok worked best, because the other two episodes are impenetrable unless you’re familiar with the characters and setting, and Darmok is a more concept-based episode (and a really good one).

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2 hours ago, Mogster said:

I'd maybe go with the start of Season 4 of Deep Space Nine. The Way of the Warrior is a brilliant and exciting introduction to both the show and the season, and is followed immediately with The Visitor which is an equally brilliant example to show the range of the show. I think a similar double bill would work for The Inner Light.

The start of Season 4 is a terrible place for someone unfamiliar with Trek to start a DS9 watch-through, though. They’ll miss out on so many decent episodes, world-building and character moments. Someone who’s watched some DS9 but not seen TNG will also be thrown off by Way of the Warrior focusing so much on a character who shows up out of nowhere too.

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I still stand with 'Yesterday's Enterprise' as the best choice.

 

Yeah it has some backstory, but you don't need to know much more than Tasha Yar was previouly a crew member who had died.

 

The Enterprise C and crew also kind of act as a bridge to the TOS era.

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1 hour ago, Protocol Penguin said:

 

The start of Season 4 is a terrible place for someone unfamiliar with Trek to start a DS9 watch-through, though. They’ll miss out on so many decent episodes, world-building and character moments. Someone who’s watched some DS9 but not seen TNG will also be thrown off by Way of the Warrior focusing so much on a character who shows up out of nowhere too.

I wasn't recommending it as a place to start a full DS9 watch, I was recommending it as an episode to introduce someone to Star Trek as per Waggo's question. Specifically the pairing with The Visitor gives a really well rounded intro to the breadth of the show. TWotW was also clearly intended as something of a relaunch for the show, building o what went before but with remaining accessible for newcomers.

 

If someone wanted to watch all of DS9 then obviously the best place to start is Emissary. It's not just the start of the show, but it's actually a really good episode in its own right.

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19 minutes ago, GwiDan said:

I reckon the best intro to Star Trek for a complete newcomer is probably First Contact. It covers a lot of bases. 


I was going to suggest Wrath Of Khan if you don’t mind going back to the beginning of Trek, but First Contact would also be superb. 

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Nearly done with TNG. On an episode where the enterprise has to help some native Americans move planet due to changes in the borderlines between the federation and cardassians. 
 

Aaaand Wesley Crusher is back and fucking worse than ever. Surly, grumpy, he’s like a teenager. The whole show is wrapping up soon and there seems to be no impetus or drive forward, just episode of the week after episode of the week. 

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9 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

Nearly done with TNG. On an episode where the enterprise has to help some native Americans move planet due to changes in the borderlines between the federation and cardassians. 
 

Aaaand Wesley Crusher is back and fucking worse than ever. Surly, grumpy, he’s like a teenager. The whole show is wrapping up soon and there seems to be no impetus or drive forward, just episode of the week after episode of the week. 

Er ... that all leads into DS9. 

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Firstly, people who start posts with “er” are the worst. Stop it immediately!
 

Secondly, it doesn’t matter if it leads into DS9. The show should be leading to some epic conclusion, some big send off. This feels like it could be an episode from any point in any series. It’s been a disappointing series with more downs than ups at this point. 

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19 hours ago, Waggo said:

If you could show a total Trek virgin just one episode across any of the series,  in order to explain why it is worth their time becoming a Trekkie which would it be?

 

I have just enjoyed my annual rewatch of ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ and I think I would have to go with that, although the DS9 episode ‘Necessary Evil’ is right up there for me too.

 

TNG: Lower Decks

 

As for why - all the main characters in it are basically new, it's seeing Trek through their eyes, the main cast are pretty much extras so you don't need to know anything about their history or anything that's gone before really.  Plus it is excellent.

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Good call on Lower Decks. :D

 

TNG season 7 has a fair bit of meh to get through, but it still has some very good episodes mixed in. Looking at the list, there's Paralells, The Pegasus, Lower Decks, Pre-emptive Strike and of course the amazing All Good things. The story of the week format was the same as it had always been, with the show being made with serialisation in mind from the start. The fact that you could watch most episodes in any order was entirely by design, although there was obviously still some character development threaded into the mix. 

 

Also while it may not have had the build up of Deep Space Nine, I think All Good Things is probably the best finalé of all the Star Trek shows. It's absolutely the big send off you're hoping for.

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On 27/11/2021 at 22:26, Mogster said:

 

 

Also while it may not have had the build up of Deep Space Nine, I think All Good Things is probably the best finalé of all the Star Trek shows. It's absolutely the big send off you're hoping for.


Okay, just finished TNG. Overall, loved it. Some ups, some downs but on the whole really positive. However, I disagree with your point here. All Good Things didn’t feel like a big finale, it didn’t even feel like a finale at all. It felt like it could have easily slotted into any point in any series and worked. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s very similar to a number of other episodes, even. 
 

s7 really felt like they were scraping the barrel for some stories, though. Breaking out loads of random family members we’d never seen or heard of. Geordie’s mom! Troi’s sister! Riker’s double! Crusher’s nan! Data’s mom! Worf’s son from the future! Picard’s (fake) son!

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