Jump to content
rllmuk
rundll

Photography Equipment & Software Thread

Recommended Posts

That's not quite right, more pixels (photon receptors) on a smaller sensor = fuzzier picture, it's due to electrical interference on each receptor because the receptors are more closely packed. A bigger sensor means the receptors aren't so tightly packed, which is why you tend to get better ISO performance and sharper images with full frame cameras (and even better with medium format!)

 

It's also why it's stupid putting a 20mp camera in a camera phone that has a 6mm sensor 

 

Your sensor is like a bucket in the garden when it rains.. the bigger the bucket (Sensor)  the more rain (light)  it catches.

 

You'd also find that with a slightly shorter reach your shots will be more stable... even with a gimble, something at what is effectively 960mm on a crop is going to be a complete bugger to keep still..

 

If you're unsure, rent one for a weekend....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, PopeSmokesDope said:

That's not quite right, more pixels (photon receptors) on a smaller sensor = fuzzier picture, it's due to electrical interference on each receptor because the receptors are more closely packed. A bigger sensor means the receptors aren't so tightly packed, which is why you tend to get better ISO performance and sharper images with full frame cameras (and even better with medium format!)

 

It's also why it's stupid putting a 20mp camera in a camera phone that has a 6mm sensor 

 

Your sensor is like a bucket in the garden when it rains.. the bigger the bucket (Sensor)  the more rain (light)  it catches.

 

You'd also find that with a slightly shorter reach your shots will be more stable... even with a gimble, something at what is effectively 960mm on a crop is going to be a complete bugger to keep still..

 

If you're unsure, rent one for a weekend....

 

That's not what I meant. I know that larger sensors provide better imaging due to the larger pixels. I was talking about the fact that his current 20 megapixel crop sensor camera will provide him with effectively 900mm of reach using his 600mm lens, which is a big advantage for wildlife. Using a full-frame sensor will lose that extra 300mm of reach in the same conditions.

 

So, for instance, if his current camera can fill the image frame with an object using the 600mm lens, he would need to either move closer to the subject or crop into the image to get the same result using full-frame. As the 5D Mk IV is 30 megapixels (approx) it would equate to cropping away around 50% of the pixels to get the same subject to fill the frame. This would mean the final result is an approx 15 megapixel image as opposed to the 7D's 20 megapixel (approx) uncropped image. 15 Megapixels should still be more than enough though unless huge prints are required and, as you say, those 15 megapixels will be higher quality from a bigger sensor with less noise.

 

NOTE: I know that the Canon APS-C crop factor is 1.6 - it's just easier to round it down to 1.5 for the maths. Likewise, I've rounded the camera resolutions etc. to the nearest 5 megapixels.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, FishyFish said:

 

15 Megapixels should still be more than enough though unless huge prints are required and, as you say, those 15 megapixels will be higher quality from a bigger sensor with less noise.

 

 

Sorry yeah, thats what I was trying to get at!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 05/07/2019 at 09:21, PopeSmokesDope said:

Your sensor is like a bucket in the garden when it rains.. the bigger the bucket (Sensor)  the more rain (light)  it catches.

 

You could always get a big funnel (speed booster) for your bucket and absorb just as much rain.

 

I'd have generally agreed with the sensor size argument up until recently but I've been playing with the Blackmagic Pocket 4K and been blown away with the quality of the footage from its micro 4/3rd sensor. Sharp at 4K with decent glass, hardly any noise even at low light. It's almost indistinguishable from the Alexa footage I normally work with which, given it costs around 1/80th of the price is just crazy. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm thinking of moving back up again from my Canon M3, I want to stay within Canon as I like their feel and look.

 

Drifting between the 77d, 800d and 80d. 

 

Main problem I can see is that all three are pretty old, with the 80d being the oldest. Any idea when a refresh is up and coming?

 

Very are doing 10% off right now on top of the summer cash back....I can get a 800d for about £550 and a 77d for £650...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 08/07/2019 at 21:48, probotector said:

I'm thinking of moving back up again from my Canon M3, I want to stay within Canon as I like their feel and look.

 

Drifting between the 77d, 800d and 80d. 

 

Main problem I can see is that all three are pretty old, with the 80d being the oldest. Any idea when a refresh is up and coming?

 

Very are doing 10% off right now on top of the summer cash back....I can get a 800d for about £550 and a 77d for £650...

 

What do you want to with the camera? Where do you feel the M3 is letting you down?

Digital stills tech in DSLRs is pretty mature and there hasn't really been any advancements in a while now. If you're going APS-C then any of the 24MP bodies are good enough.

I use a six year old Nikon 24MP APS-C body for example and wouldn't get any better image quality by upgrading to something more recent.

 

The advancements are happening in video, and if you want that you're probably better off sticking with mirrorless than a DSLR.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking.

 

I’m thinking of getting serious and getting some training and getting into portrait and product photography and DSLR opens up more lens choices plus look more professional if that makes sense.

 

I want a massive lens and a big ass camera lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, probotector said:

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking.

 

I’m thinking of getting serious and getting some training and getting into portrait and product photography and DSLR opens up more lens choices plus look more professional if that makes sense.

 

I want a massive lens and a big ass camera lol

 

You're going to want full frame then and also look into lighting solutions.

Second hand Canon 5dmk2+ 50mm f1.8 is just about on your budget and will get you going for portraits in natural light. On the mirrorless side a Sony A7mk1+ 50mm is also just about in your budget.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sigma have announced a very small full-frame body using the L-Mount system:

 

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/11/20690392/sigma-fp-camera-full-frame-mirrorless-smallest

 

I'd question how good the handling can possibly be with anything other than a pancake lens. There is a grip attachment. Might be interesting for people doing video, as you're going to build a system around it anyway so the ergonomics don't really matter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Isn't it one of those products which are as much about generating publicity as actually being a thing they want to sell loads of?  The same guts will probably go in a more conventional body in a few months and maybe people will be more aware of it because of the weird camera which paved the way. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/07/2019 at 15:38, probotector said:

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking.

 

I’m thinking of getting serious and getting some training and getting into portrait and product photography and DSLR opens up more lens choices plus look more professional if that makes sense.

 

I want a massive lens and a big ass camera lol

Just be wary that massive lenses are very hard to use.

I've got a 600mm lens and for years I've not been using it. I've started making a concentrated effort over the last few weeks and am really struggling with it as you need to keep the lens absolutely still and it picks up the tiniest of movements. I know the lens itself is fine as a friend used it to take some great shots. I clearly have a naff technique and I've been taking photos for years now. I'm the very definition of 'all the gear, absolutely no idea' :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I say, big fuck off lens, I thinking 300mm max!

 

A friend is selling a 5d mk3 for £650 body only? Lens ain’t that expensive 2nd hand and plentiful? Only thing I’m worried about is lack of comfort features like WiFi/Bluetooth/nfc but it does have dual memory card slots and it’s full frame...

 

So my choice is 

 

600d brand new for about £550 body only

 

5d good condition body only £650....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For portrait you're going to want an 85mm  fast prime.

 

300mm will no use for portrait or product photography really.. you'll have to stand so far back it would be extremely awkward.

 

go with the 5d at that price... a complete steal!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fuck!

 

https://fstoppers.com/originals/sony-announces-new-alpha-7r-iv-proper-rival-medium-format-390369

 

 

Very very tempting... mainly for the 15 stops of dynamic range...

 

 

I've actually been considering getting a Sony for a while... we had a talk at the camera club from one of their shooters and some of the results they were getting were stunning...

 

The ability to use my canon lenses with it is also a massive bonus.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, PopeSmokesDope said:

Fuck!

 

https://fstoppers.com/originals/sony-announces-new-alpha-7r-iv-proper-rival-medium-format-390369

 

 

Very very tempting... mainly for the 15 stops of dynamic range...

 

 

I've actually been considering getting a Sony for a while... we had a talk at the camera club from one of their shooters and some of the results they were getting were stunning...

 

The ability to use my canon lenses with it is also a massive bonus.

 

Followed the stories on this yesterday. Very tempted.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Use of this website is subject to our Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, and Guidelines.